Now that NOHSAC’s gone

Earlier this week The Standard revealed that Government has scrapped the National Occupational Health and Advisory Committee (NOHSAC).

So I guess industry will now be freer from nanny state to get its great new wonder products on the market.

Like this one, perhaps:

WTCasbestos

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13 thoughts on “Now that NOHSAC’s gone

  1. More Toadism,

    Why do we need an advisory committee to advice the Labour departments OSH branch?

    http://www.osh.dol.govt.nz/

    Are they incapable of being well informed that they need another layer of tax payer funded “advisors” to point them in the right direction.

    Now if the government were to scrap the Labour Department, that would be another kettle of fish.

    The advisory committee did what exactly and why could the Department of Labour not do this function themselves?

    No, we need to rid ourselves of unneccessary layers of padded public servants who do not add one iota to the productivity of New Zealand. Especially when we have neither the taxation cashflow or the budgetted income to pay for “advisors” to advisors.

    Just imagine how many safety seminars the Department of Labour could run for the money not spent on an “advisory” committee.

    And your asbestos mock advert is stupidly ineffective. Asbestos use is controlled by the Departments of Labour and Health. Not any “advisory” panel.

  2. Gerrit said: Are they incapable of being well informed that they need another layer of tax payer funded “advisors” to point them in the right direction.

    Actually, I think they are. NOSAC’s membership consisted largely of people with specialty scientific and medical expertise in occupational health and safety.

    The Department of Labour consists largely of bureacrats who do not have that expertise.

  3. Oh, and it is not a “mock” advertisement Gerrit. It is a real one – from 1981, in Canada. I’ll post the link when I am back at the computer I have it on.

  4. toad,

    If the workers at the OSH part of the Department of Labour is incapable of running the department sack them.

    What wooly thinking employs another layers of “minders” to ovesee useless employees.

    Explains why we have too many non productive public sector workers if you need “minders” and “advisors” to hold their little hand.

    Excellent example of what is bad about government being in business. Dont hold workers to account, just hire more “supervisors” and “advisors”.

    No wonder the New Zealand is fast becoming the Iceland of the Pacific.

    My toadism. The current National government is not doing anything about it, being so left wing and mired in the mud, it cant bring itself around to do the right thing with the economy. I should have voted for Bill and Ben party.

  5. Oh, seems like the advert is true, sorry.

    Interetingly if used and handdled correctly the “finished” asbestos product does exactly what is should do, so per se the advert is correct. Asbestos is the best product for the job.

    But we now know that the mining and manufacturing of it plus the clean up and disposal after a fire (or removal for demolition) is the problem area.

    Something the “plebs” at OSH would easily know about and could make rules for the safe use of asbestos for.

    They dont need “advisors” for this, the simply need the power to make it happen. And if their skill level is not good enough, retrain or fire them.

    I expect many more of these “advisory” bodies to disappear. Especially the ministers “advisors” who are looking into the financial spending of government departs and weeding out these unneccessary “advisors”.

    I hope the financial “advisors” are on short term contracts so that all these “advisory” teams so beloved by the public service are quickly wiped out and the economic benefits thereoff are put back into making a productive (tax paying) worker out of all the “knowledgeable” and “specialised” experts.

  6. Ah, here’s the link, now I’m back home to find it. It was from Asbestos Corporation Limited, which, surprisingly, still appears to be trading.

    An, Gerrit, NOSAC had a quite different role from the Department of Labour. It’s role was to provide independent high level advice directly to the Minister of Labour on major occupational health and safety issues. DoL’s role in occupational health and safety is largely advice to industry and enforcement.

  7. There are already too many chiefs in this country, we need to lose even more of these trough feeders.

  8. kaya, the NOHSAC membership consisted of.

    Professor Neil Pearce, Director of of the Centre for Public Health Reasearch, Massey University; Dr Evan Dryson, Immediate Past-President of the Roayl Australasian College of Physicians’ Faculty of Occupational Medicine; Profesor Anne-Marie Feyer, Professor of Social and Preventive Medicine, University of Otago; Professor Philippa Gander, Director of the Sleep/Wake Research Centre, Massey University; and Professor John Langley, Director of the Injury Prevention Research Unit, University of Otago.

    With the exception of Dr Dryson, who runs a very succecssful specialty practice in occupational medicine, they are all tenured academics – the fees they would have commanded from NOHSAC would be a pittance in relation to their salaries.

    They proveded a level of expertisethat the Government simply cannot get anywhere else.

    Trough feeders, eh, kaya?

  9. toad,

    Any published material available to indicate what this “committee” has recommended to the minister since its incenption?

    What did they do to earn their buck?

  10. Gerrit said: “Something the “plebs” at OSH would easily know about and could make rules for the safe use of asbestos for.”

    of course they could now – everyone knows about the dangers of asbestos now. The issue is about getting these issues dealt with when the problems are first discovered. Experts like the people on the NOHSEC committee knew about the dangers of asbestos long before everyone else did, and will know about the next safety threat long before everyone else does.

  11. Have you read these reports toad?

    Here is the latest (and number 13 is hopefully the last)

    http://www.nohsac.govt.nz/documents/TechnicalReport13.pdf

    There is absolutely no technical information in there that would have indentified another asbestos.

    In fact it looks more like something a womens collective could have written, it is so generalised that no minister worth his/her salt would take any notice off.

    Experts like the people on the NOHSEC committee knew about the dangers of asbestos long before everyone else did, and will know about the next safety threat long before everyone else does.

    Rubbish, these people would not know an asbestos problem from a PCB contaminant.

    Anyone studying OSH issues from around the world (heck a fifteen year old at the DOL could do that by googling)could foresee potential problems for New Zealand faster then this committee could report it.

    Good riddance to rubbish if their reports are anything to go by.

  12. I live in an asbestos house, and I quiet like it and feel reasonably safe living in it – fire hazards arn’t cool, yay for asbestos, the bloody energy-saver mercury-containing easily-smashable light bulb in my room – that freaks me out more, much more.

    But that’s ‘green’ you know!

    When will the BS stop, trees are green, politics is bloody ideological.

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